bring change to hosting section to prevent scammers

[ajinkya9]

^^
What does the no. of posts or the months membership have to do with anything ?

[sniffdog]

I thought I was clear why. But I am sorry you don't get it.

[hulkman]

Scamming is a virus, though many steps were taken they happen.
As above sniffdog said, A member with minimum no.of posts would be good.
Providing service to 3 trusted member is a bad idea. How they gonna test it. They move their site and test it with every host every month.

Prevention of scam:
1. Payment processes have resolution center. We can raise complaints over there to block their payment.
2.Always keep the invoices of the host as backup.
3.Take weekly site backups.
4.KWWH Mods must get their personal details and keep it confidential.
5.If there are any suspicious things happening on thread,Mod must give atleast 24hrs of time to hosting providers,before they make their details public.
6.Popularity and Trusted rating option must be added to forum, with which users can rate the host.

[newuploader]

What if all new hosts had to provide free service to 3 approved members for one month each (free) - then those three members would report on speed, uptime, etc - not that all problems will occur in the first month, but at least we'd know how their support and service is.

Good idea

This is the only sensible comment in this entire thread.

The company should be Registered.
So, the owners cannot just close the company and run away.
I also agree on the 1-year-advance payment thingy.

I just wonder how could you decide that it is the only sensible comment in this entire thread and you comment the same which was already said on 2nd page? duh

Rapidspeeds and boxslots are also registered companies mate

Coming to topic:

We can't just say who gonna scam in next few days or months as it online, everything is virtual. You can't just use the word SCAM as they havn't gone with your money.

Do it yourself:

1. Pay only Montly instead of quarterly or anually (If you don't trust the host)
2. Take daily (if possible) or weekly backup atleast.

You need to be careful before doing anything guys, It's impossible if you want the rose to grow without thorns.. correct me if I'm wrong

[chaudhary9]

Scamming is a virus, though many steps were taken they happen.
As above sniffdog said, A member with minimum no.of posts would be good.
Providing service to 3 trusted member is a bad idea. How they gonna test it. They move their site and test it with every host every month.

Prevention of scam:
1. Payment processes have resolution center. We can raise complaints over there to block their payment.
2.Always keep the invoices of the host as backup.
3.Take weekly site backups.
4.KWWH Mods must get their personal details and keep it confidential.
5.If there are any suspicious things happening on thread,Mod must give atleast 24hrs of time to hosting providers,before they make their details public.
6.Popularity and Trusted rating option must be added to forum, with which users can rate the host.

Good idea
+ just pay monthly
Why take a chance

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[LuDo8]

I wouldnt say a 2 yr limit maybe a few months limit, i don't really see the point for this thread,

hawk,me,el_j,e_light,loget,mrsandvik,phamous, and hell hundreds of other members have had threads just like this in 2009,2012, and now 2011 whats the difference ?

Hosting forum is a large traffic forum for KWWHunction, You can't implement a "Kill Rule"

The staff & mods are doing a great job as it is on the forums, thats all i can ask for and thats all you can ask for.


Now im guessing you made this thread because of boxslots yes ?

get the facts first no one scammed anyone, it was a exploit in the new whmcs billing softwear which lead to there downfall but before that they never had any negative reviews at ALL.

But being a server administrator as my self, I URGE people to wait at least two weeks after such a new release of any type of software/scripts

Best Regards.


//Add

many of you are forgetting KWWHunction is not dedicated to web hosting


@Ludo

Really ? i laughed my ass off

You laughed your ass off because you're a server administrator, not a real business owner. Server admin = tiny worker bee that collects a salary from the owner. An employee is totally different from an entrepreneur.

I'm not going to debate with you, I left a constructive comment and you decided to try to insult me. If you ever attended college, got a business degree, and actually worked in a real start-up company I'm sure you would have some understanding of this.

Running a real business requires a real business plan and sound financial planning and start up capital. Look at how many web hosts run into the ground, that's because they operate month to month, hand to mouth that's why the slightest problem they are caught with their pants down with no funds and have no choice but to abandon ship.

A Registered company isn't the end all be all solution, but its a start. The number of failed web hosts on KWWH speaks for itself and the reason behind it all? Lack of Funds. You can't argue that.

[rbn]

@Ludo:
I dont know what he is but he thinks like a business owner.
Business should make profits, buying server in 1year advance is completely nonsense.

example:
RapidSpeeds was legit company etc etc, to prevent a scam i go and buy server 1 year in advance, they dissaappeared, same situation, i got fuck3d like everyone, my users are also fucked (in my case temporarily till i get new server but its still some downtime). Same case like we are want to prevent from that.

people just should have mind open that shit can happens, simply way is just check how long in business provider is, pay month to month or anually not 1 year in advance, try to google them. there never will be perfect solution but these steps can helps


Even if server is paid for 1 year, anyone can go and sell it after two months for discounted price on hosting forums, as i said there never will be complete solution, we can just have eyes open

[LuDo8]

@RBN

Its not nonsense, its business basics 101.

If you open a restaurant are you seriously going to only have money for ONE month's rent? What if you don't get enough customers/clients, you'd be assed out of a server for next month.

You think Walmart opened with only enough capital for one month? This is clearly the difference between tiny fry and big successful businesses.

I'm not telling YOU the customer to pay one year in advance, I'm saying the HOST should have funds to pay for the server one year in advance, with enough funds to take a loss for at the very minimum 1-2 years.

There is no total solution, but I guarantee you if you required hosts to be registered companies, and have money to pay for 1 year in advance they will think twice about starting up a web host for FUN. They will be dead serious because that's serious money they are putting on the line.

Look, everyone should do whatever they want, but if your business fails, read back on this post. This would be step 1 of step 20 to starting a business.

Edit:
And you are right, everyone should have due diligence when researching for a web host and their history. Everyone should make their own current backups of their site data. You cannot trust anyone but yourself for your own files and database.

[ajinkya9]

Obviously there is no way to Stop Scammers completely.
But at least some steps should be taken to somewhat avoid them.

1) Post count or Rep points or Brown colored usernames or Golden Fucking Stars aren't going to make any difference.
2) Hosts with constant Service Disruptions should not be allowed. (Scheduled maintenance is an exception)
Proof must be provided for the same. (Hint: pingdom)
3) Address, Phone Number, and Name in the Whois record shouldn't be Private

[rbn]

Obviously there is no way to Stop Scammers completely.
But at least some steps should be taken to somewhat avoid them.

1) Post count or Rep points or Brown colored usernames or Golden Fucking Stars aren't going to make any difference.
2) Hosts with constant Service Disruptions should not be allowed. (Scheduled maintenance is an exception)
Proof must be provided for the same. (Hint: pingdom)
3) Address, Phone Number, and Name in the Whois record shouldn't be Private

Whois shouldnt be private, i agree with that, maybe some kind of mail confirmation to prevent fake adresses, hmm...

Join date, first post date, how long in business it will help but we cant require from the news some stupid rules... Please not all big fails in hosting marketplace here was not really scams, it was just bad luck 3 or more companies vanished in one month (boxslots, rapidspeeds and that rdp business which i cant remember lol)

Please also note not every RDP hoster will allow warez files (no doubt its using for uploading warez, to be honest) when register legit company.

There was some company which was providing seedboxes, registered a busness and they was closing accounts because of violating their tos (downloading copyrighted material). If someone wants to scam us, will find a way for sure... It's not the point to make selling harder for good sellers...