bring change to hosting section to prevent scammers

[cvrle77]

• KWWH will never be the middle man, because KWWH is simple forum, not agency.

• KWWH staff doesn't have a crystal ball to look in future, which host will fall down, rules are clear, whatever you do here, its on your own discretion.

• KWWH staff ban scammers, however, they can't predict things, or prevent things from happening. Shit must first happen, before someone can point finger.

• You rant, because you were stupid enough to not have a backup of your site, and not have a backup escape plan (backup host, somewhere where you can move in case of emergency) is only telling how you are unprepared to be a webmaster, which is a road full of thorns. Just by knowing how to setup wordpress blog, but forgetting to take backups, makes you vulnerable. Good webmaster should always have backup plans, not just backup of website. So, blaming on host is stupid just like its stupid you didn't had a backup. If you did had a backup, and plan, you wouldn't have time to be here and cry. You would already upload your site somewhere.

• Trust. Silly thing. That is for weak people. (you can freely disagree with me, and show your weakness )There is no such thing on the internet. You can be good with someone, have his msn, type on a daily basis with someone, You can have numerous money transactions with him, and all can go nice and smooth. But he CAN grab the first opportunity to fuck you over. Trust yourself only. Think three times before you do shit. You must think in advance, always, and have backup plans, so called emergency plans. Because shit DOES and WILL happen when you least expect them, it's Murphy's law.

• No one else gives a shit to protect you, or baby sit you, it's your own duty. If you decided to be a webmaster, first thing you have to know is, that you are on your own.

So, before new babies start to cry, learn something from what happened with those 2 hosts. Learn how to create backups, practice it, practice finding another backup host, where you can switch fast and smooth, be one step ahead before the mess. Always have backup funds. Don't let shit run on their own, control the situation. Be a WEB MASTER

Just my 2 cents

[vgnheart]

@cvrle77, Completely agreed with you opinion. Those who cry for not having local or secondary backup solutions their own, will continue to do so.

@Mods, better close this thread and stop censoring talk. If KWWH wants to do censoring, then there is no difference between MPAA and KWWH. There is no need to KWWH act as a mediator or a Court.

[JGM]

All I have really seen is people saying "KWWH should do something to protect us from scammers". Now my question to you is thus;

Why should they?

This forum is provided free of charge to anybody who wishes to use it to come and learn about a huge range of topics such as hosting, DMCA, SEO and much much more. Not once is it said or written that KWWH will hold your hand while you learn how to walk! Getting KWWH directly involved with hosting issues is quite frankly stupid and just asking for trouble, it will/would open them up for all sorts of grief and could/would probably do far more harm than good.

That being said nobody wants to be scammed but it is your own responsibility to watch your own back and not KWWH's or its staff. I was once scammed in the past and I have learned my lesson from it, if you don't learn from your mistakes then you are doomed to always fail. KWWH and its staff do all they can already about banning scammers etc when the situation warrants it but they should never be held accountable for actions of anybody here who sell hosting (or any other service) which would be the case if they get involved. It could rapidly turn in to everybody bitching at KWWH and the staff because they were too stupid to be scammed in the first place. Staff would end up with being constantly pestered by childish members with PM's about "ooh such and such scammed me, you must do something because I am too stupid and only I matter at this point in time so you must focus on me and me alone". Now OK granted that is possibly a little over the top but you get the point

Remember if it is to good to be true then chances are that it isn't true.

JGM.

[Sp32]

Well said JGM, the problem that I seem to see (never actually experienced it) but people will call a host a scammer because they don't help with problems that the actual person is experiencing, for example, if a vbulletin php error comes up they'll blame the host straight away before realising that it is actually their fault. People get paranoid with their money and I don't blame them as money is what makes the world go round. Some people just require a bit more guidance which is all fair imo.

[Robin H]

Doing that would be stupid, People here aren't going to upload their personal details to random people over the internet.

If you're a company you should verify it.
You don't want to give your ID to staff, yet you expect random people over the internet to send you money?!

Edit:

But to be clear, I also think KWWH shouldn't get involved as JGM says.

@Mods, better close this thread and stop censoring talk. If KWWH wants to do censoring, then there is no difference between MPAA and KWWH.

??
For you getting rid of scammers is equal to what the MPAA is doing?!
MPAA ARE SCAMMERS.

[FreeFileZhare]

There is one way, giving special ranks to hosting company like file hosting,but the hosting company should pay a deposit money to KWWH, and they can take it back when the company is stable enough.

[Jamie Holle]

If you're a company you should verify it.
You don't want to give your ID to staff, yet you expect random people over the internet to send you money?!

What do personal details such as a PASSPORT or driving Licence going to prove exactly ?

He lives in "this address" "can Drive a car" oh yes he definitely owns a company!

it's their choice to send money to whoever they want to. I don't have to give my details out to anyone for them to actually know who I am and what I do!

[Siruthuli]

aah!!
this topic is heavily going off topic.

Guys please understand my request.

I asked if any of us, member or staff can think of a way, which could overcome the problems of scammers.
a way which could reduce the risk of scammers.
one which is sensible.
why shud KWWH help with this? maybe because they cate for their members ???

adding lines of prevention is not stupid, I feel its good.

in a way, it helps goodhosts grow well, and bad hosts to just get lost.

am sure everyone needs the chance to grow, but we shud stop as many cheap ones scamming us

its just a discussion here, trying to find a way, please dont go off topic or revenge this topic

thanks

[bhanuprasad1981]

giving id proof for selling hosting to warez sites ? i don't think its good idea

[mahjong]

I think that:

There should be ranks for hosts (even use some css). Every host should have one thread, not a thread/offer.
If that thread is getting older and the host is still alive, after 6 months it should get a higher rank, after 12 months, it should get even higher, etc...
Every rank should have different colors, or something written in the title like ( Newbie host - Half-year host - Yearold host - Veteran host etc.)

Also in the thread there should be a timeline which would be editable only by moderators. There should be written every huge problems by user complains which are trustable, like:
2011.11.16 - Boxslots hacked, lot of user lost their sites
2011.11.31 - Boxslots hacked, user data lost
2010.10.20 - Boxslots down for 11 days

Etc.

Also, there should be a user rating system, five star method, which is only available for users with 50+ posts, so even new hosts would have the chance to get good ratings, but clearly, old hosts will have an upper hand... BUT this way with the timeline every of their huge mistakes will be there above the first post.