User from GFY tries to take down file hosts. Not with a DMCA, but...

[filerking]

VuVu cry all you like, Robert is cutting the finances of the file lockers while you post.

VuVu do you understand how Ads actually pay the site they appear on?


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Yes, big, fatass money.
Yes, PILES of it.
Same as torrents.

Take a look at this image:



ISOHunt also have 5 ads per one download page.
For one search you need 3 steps to get to desired link.
That makes 15 ad impresions.
Multiply that with 500K-1M daily users.
You can look at possibly 15M impressions a day.
Do you have ANY idea how much is that traffic worth?


Usenet. Do you know how much usenet providers pay affiliates for referring people?
Alot.

So, don't talk nonsense, really.

These guys live in a world of their own. File lockers have to pay for servers, pay uploaders who earn money. Kim Dotcom made millions and to them it's all about free sharing.

It's people sharing pictures of their family or sharing documents with a few others because they can't be bothered to make an FTP. Legit Cloud hosting is cheap and everywhere.

All Stop File Lockers is doing is informing processors about the ones who break their rules. Like no porn, no piracy, etc. If the file locker can't abide by the processors rules, he shouldn't have processing.

They should use companies that don't break the rules if they don't want to suffer.

[jaguaar]

"These guys live in a world of their own. File lockers have to pay for servers, pay uploaders who earn money. Kim Dotcom made millions and to them it's all about free sharing. "
Wonderful observation.

[VuVu]

It's not crying, it's trying to explain to you that "file lockers" aren't all about getting paid to download. You do realize most FTP storage solutions cost a little bit of money? Hmm....wish there was a free way to do it. There is the exception of drop box, though it has alot of ups and downs. You just don't seem to get the big picture. You never will and never will try to understand it from any other side. You seem to believe a site streaming copyrighted material running ad's is fine because "they need to pay for the servers". That's the same as any PPD system. Both are making money over copyrighted material. Cutting off paypal is not the only way for advertisers to pay a site, in my experience most have the option to wire / send cheques.

About megaupload, I don't get why you seem to keep bringing it up. Yes they had a PPD that they took offline because of abuse. If that's running a piracy ring then damn are you mis informed. You don't think megaupload had server bills? By the looks of it you don't. There really is no point in explaining further to you as you just don't get it. DDL is just the first layer of the game. Piracy is and is always going to be big, technology evolves day after day and it will just be moved on to the next replacement to them. You've got to realize every system that gets taken down is replaced. Something you think you can control...you're funny.

@cvrle77 Just like Serj Tankian's song, the unthinking majority

PS. You do realize Robert is breaking paypal's TOS as well? Paypal does not support harassment campaigns of any sort like you and your little friends have been doing on GFY. Posting someones vital information "dox", death threats, bodily harm threats, going to be paying them a visit, hell even aids threats...As I said earlier it's funny how you guys act. Thinking your above everyone else. tisk tisk.

[mopar546]

I want to touch on the credit card thing real quick.

This would have been about 8 or 9 years ago.Some of you may remember this.

Online gambling is illegal in the US.So the government wanted to shut the online gambling sites down,but they couldn't do it because the sites were hosted offshore.

Did the government give up? Of course not.What did they do? They pressured the cc companies into not allowing their cards to be used at online gambling sites.
Did the online gambling sites close? No.

Did that have any effect whatsoever on the number of people in the US gambling online? No,not at all.Why? Because the sites came up with new ways for people to load their accounts.

People will always find new ways of doing something as long as the demand is there & money is involved.

[xaxes]

ISOHunt also have 5 ads per one download page.
For one search you need 3 steps to get to desired link.
That makes 15 ad impresions.
Multiply that with 500K-1M daily users.
You can look at possibly 15M impressions a day.
Do you have ANY idea how much is that traffic worth?


Usenet. Do you know how much usenet providers pay affiliates for referring people?
Alot.

So, don't talk nonsense, really.

Owners of torrents sites make some money with ads,true.
But people who uploading torrents doing this for FREE.

[Prohuztler]

Let's be clear about this.

Many of best financial contributors to the Stop File Lockers campaign have at least guest access to our internal collaboration system. They see much of what goes on. Some of our contributors even have access to our closed portion of the collaboration system and are privy to the high level discussions, negotiations, agreements and ongoing progress on such matters.

It's worth noting that Moogie/Krylon tried to get in to this system. Firstly he asked in this thread if he could help, then he approached others in the system to ask if he could get in on the inside and help. Many hostile people are desperate for inside information on what we're doing.

Part of our success in this project can be attributed to the fact that most targets don't know they're going to be hit until they are wondering why they can't access thousands of illicitly gained dollars in various accounts. We do not share information about operational matters unless strategically advantageous to do so, the same goes for potential targets.

As for expenditure. It's a common theme amongst people commenting on media articles, pirate webmaster forums and so forth that we're getting rich from donations.

The facts are this:

Nobody gets paid for participating in the Stop File Lockers project.

The $6,057.50 raised in general donations has been helpful but is merely a fraction of what this project has cost to run. Even if you add in private donations we have fallen well short of expenditure, the rest of which has come out of my own pocket.

Below is a non exhaustive list of some of our expenditure.

1. 440 Collins Street. This is our public place of business and operation, where all inbound business communication heads, where we meet with parties associated with our efforts, where we meet with people we seek to have relationships with for our efforts, where our files and legal documentation is kept and where our secretarial support is based.

2. Accountants. Yes we have an accountant from a reputable Melbourne accountancy firm overseeing every cent that goes through Copy Control and providing advice on structure and accountancy matters for the Rights Holder Association in the process of being formed.

3. Lawyers: We have a client relationship with one of the best boutique specialist IP law firms in Australia. Legal advice and work is very expensive. Having one legal letter such as a general Cease and Desist notice (that can be relied upon in evidence) cost $400 to draft. Non disclosure agreements, of which we now have many, can cost $800 - $1000 each to draft.

4. Infrastructure. We pay for a dedicated server, VoIP services, Cloud Storage services, firewall and CDN services. All of which is required to conduct our business or to keep our services running in the face of a regular onslaught of attacks and hacking attempts.

5. Travel. In just the past two weeks I have been to meetings in Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore and Sydney. A return flight, Melbourne to Sydney can cost $400+. Add in taxis, accommodation, meals and you start to add up the dollars.

6. Software: Every month we pay for Podio, Xero, Adobe Creative Cloud, there's $200 a month just for those three.

7. Software Development: We have also spent money on programmers. We've built our own forensic project management system which is specially built to streamline and manage our operation. Every detection, communication, infringement detected, infringement reported, payment processor history, payment processor correspondence, piracy site hosting history, piracy site ownership history, domain registrar history and so forth is recorded in this system. At a press of a button we can generate a detailed report for payment processors or law enforcement detailing everything we know about a file locker or other piracy site. This information can be relied upon because it has been recorded in a detailed and consistent manner with cross checking applied to help ensure accuracy.

Let's look at time volunteered.

I put in well over 60 - 70 hours a week on this project. All of it unpaid.

Nautilus tirelessly work to create reports, monitor repeat offenders, provides advice and assistance on future directions.

Eric from Remove Your Content provided a significant contribution for the time that he was involved.

DWB has been inside from the beginning and is a constant source of advice or opinion about future direction and progress.

There are others who aren't so visible, but still there working behind the scenes to help protect works owned by rights holders. Providing assistance where they can, providing advice or opinions and generally being supportive.

As for those faceless critics who say there's no proof we have shut down a single file locker, all I have to say is that we have been very plain that we never take credit for any closure of any site and there are reasons.

1. We don't want pirates to be sure, we want to keep them guessing about what's happened.
2. We don't want our efforts to be reverse engineered, we deliberately delay some announcements just for this reason, again we like to keep people guessing.
3. We don't want to legally jeopardise future possible prosecution or legal action that may arise from the investigations we conduct or those of third parties.

Unfortunately it's a fact of life that many of our critics are as vocal as they are stupid. They pollute this thread, comment threads on media reports, threads on piracy forums with flames, conspiracy theories, death threats, other threats, bravado, innuendo, false allegations of impropriety and so forth. We take these critics at face value for who they are and what they stand for.

Quote from AdultKing. Smells like a lot of bullshit right there.

[filerking]

Owners of torrents sites make some money with ads,true.
But people who uploading torrents doing this for FREE.

Not related to stopping file lockers, so your point is?

Piracy like all crimes will never be stopped, it will be reduced if it's fought against. The constant theme from all of you is if it can't be stopped 100% it shouldn't be reduced 50%.

You're all bleating because stop file lockers is hurting you. your reaction proves it works in some way.

Xaxes if you still have free torrents, why are you worried?

I suspect it's because you own, earn or use file lockers. Not to share pictures of your family, to share pirated material. So now you will think of the future and what to do when file lockers are banned from processing. Or just too risky because you will lose money with them.

Or close your eyes to the risk. Which is never bright.

How many here have had funds frozen to date?

http://rapidgator.net/article/unavailable

[Sonic]

I think AK is hidden in a bunker with lots of bodyguards

So you have some millionaire enemies (file lockers owners), maybe your life is not like before, no travel, no nothing?

while the manwin guy is counting money in his office you are being busted and demanded by those enemies.

Please don't try to be a hero. The only name involved in stop file lockers project is "Robert King". So you are getting all the shit and the others?

[filerking]

Yes he's hidden away and terrified to let people know who he is. Like everyone else here.

I guess you can live in hope someone will stop him, then stop all the others, then stop mainstream, then all will be fine.

[protocoldroid]

Quote from AdultKing. Smells like a lot of bullshit right there.

guess what, you created it now sniff your own fucking bullshit