A bit over the top?

[Buddah]

The silly attempt at making this site seem like a legitimate "webmaster" hangout is pretty funny. This is a warez hosting site. Nothing more. You're putting lipstick on a pig, now quit with the professional attitude. Resume it when you have professional content and a professional reputation.

Have an opinion? Here's a ban.

Have an issue with staff's actions? Here's a ban.

Buddah Reviewed by Buddah on 28th Oct 2012. A bit over the top? One may disagree with what people say but when you have take advantage of your powers and restrict people from reading what others say, whether it be untrue, there's no reason to be CONSTANTLY doing this. e.g. http://i.imgur.com/2tOHn.png Sure, the guy maybe a scammer, but that's what banning and other methods (e.g. pointing that that he is a scammer through posting in the thread itself) should be used. tags like this should be used on rare occasions, but once you start seeingthem more Rating: 5

[Qoo]

There was an issue in the marketplace as well yesterday where forum-seller made a thread for his designs and sniffdog went ahead and bashed his designs and then his site. I have come across a couple of threads where discussions/criticism isn't allowed in the marketplace as it's not a review section. I don't know what happened after that but the thread is now missing and the member is banned.

[Djlatino]

There was an issue in the marketplace as well yesterday where forum-seller made a thread for his designs and sniffdog went ahead and bashed his designs and then his site. I have come across a couple of threads where discussions/criticism isn't allowed in the marketplace as it's not a review section. I don't know what happened after that but the thread is now missing and the member is banned.

Welcome to KWWHunction

Webmaster Hangout.

[Qoo]

Welcome to KWWHunction

Webmaster Hangout.

Funny thing is most of these issues are caused by sniffdog.

1. That Alexa thread

2. Blaze's ban

3. The marketplace issue with forum-seller

[Suhel]

^ that's crazy

[Suhel]

Here is my opinion

Mods needs to stop deleting post even if it's not true and reply to it, so everyone can understand and admin needs to take this issue seriously or they will be the only ones on the forum

[Froomple]

I feel mods should probably stay away from this topic. Let us have some freedom in this thread atleast.

But yes, people must know their limits.

Waiting for your opinions Hawk/Loger/Capone.

[cvrle77]

Here's the other side of story you may not know, or you didn't bothered to know

It's so easy being a regular user on KWWH (some people find it quite hard to fit in few lines of rules). You lurk, talk, make friends, and make some money on the way, if possible. You gain knowledge, have fun. That's the sole purpose of this forum.

I had impression, that moderating KWWH would be a piece of cake. But when I stepped in, it's a whole new dimension, of things, that I should keep my eye on, and deal with.
Making proper decisions each and every time, is very hard, and time consuming, even for us who spend tons of time here.
Therefore, mistakes do happen, it's what naturally happens, when you work hard. Sometimes we ban member who didn't deserved it, sometimes we don't ban those who did deserved it. However, we are doing our best to keep this forum clean for YOU, and others, so you don't get scammed, don't get spammed, or abused by anyone. We are your protectors in a way. However, if you step over the line, we have to protect others from you, or even ourselves from you.

One thing, that people don't understand about forums, is that they are donation-based. Everyone here is volunteering, no one is being paid for the job, and there's a level of tolerance that MUST exist, from all 3 sides, users, moderators, and administration.
Users have to tolerate some mistakes from mods, and keep their level, same thing goes for moderators, they have to tolerate things from members. Administration have to tolerate both sides, and keep balance.
Sometimes, members can contribute 'used toilet paper' posts, sometimes, we can. We are same people as you are. So, it's not we against you, or you against us. However, we do it way less than regular members, because it's less of us, staff. Our work is more noticed, because of our position, and given privileges. Anyone who thinks, that can do better work, have a chance to prove himself, using report button, contributing to this forum. But I don't think you will do any better, because we all belong to same specie, humans.
Don't fool yourself thinking you are immune to mistakes, and know best. We never said we do know the best, we are picked because of our contribution to this forum.

Forum didn't changed a BIT, when I was just a noob, lurking here, and other members were staff. All that you read on your screen, are some new names. But everything is the same. New people come, old people go, when you observe this in closed enviroment like forum, that is everything but not surprising.

There will be always people who think they are smarter than the rest of us, probably with 0 contribution, and those who are silently contributing, with desire to see this place more cleaner, more functional. Some things never change.

Therefore, don't blame us, if we make mistakes. Maybe there's something we didn't understand. Try to explain to us, in a polite, non abusive way. In case you feel it's not possible with one member of staff, PM other one. We'll bring up issue behind doors, and make a final verdict as a team, what should be done.

[Qoo]

Cvrle77, as you said there are two sides for everything, however, you are missing the point here. The unfair moderation that users have being complaining about is not just a mistake. It's being going on since quite some time and some of these mods find it rather funny and not a mistake. That's somewhat what Robert is complaining, I mean seriously, ban reason is being a dumb ass?

Some/most moderators do an awesome job keeping the forum clean from scammers but why abuse your powers to the extend when people no longer want to visit the place? There is a fine line between fun and abuse and some moderators are crossing the line over every small thing. If you said the forum hasn't changed a bit why is that no one used to complain and all of a sudden there are tons of complains?

Edit: About explaining something politely to a staff, do you expect me to explain my side of the story politely to the mod who warned me for being a "dumb ass"?

[cvrle77]

I cannot speak in other's people name, I can speak on a general level, and my own name.

However, there's one thing that you are not right about. Users always complained on something regarding moderators decisions. Even I did, when I was user, and was banned for 7 days.

However, as I said, some people find it quite hard to fit in few lines of rules. No one will touch you, if you act normal, and your behavior, and attitude is kept on a decent level, even when shit is thrown in your direction sometimes.
But, difference in positions here is, that shit is thrown at us all the time, and all staff have to deal with is crap. To moderate crap. And sometimes, when we even feel a bit of it, when dealing with tons of reports, scammers, we pull innocent people in that pile. It happens. Rarely, but it does.
We have to weed who's intentions are good, measure what user previously contributed, check if he has bad history, etc, etc, etc. There's TONS of things we measure, before kicking someone, or give infraction. Most of the time, those who are complaining, have 3-6 pages of infractions, but hey, they are still here. Even with their unacceptable behavior, 0 contribution, they are still given the opportunity to use this forum.

All this infraction thing is blown up out of proportions. Infractions are meant to warn you, that you are doing something that is not acceptable here. That means, that you should pay attention on what you are doing, and stop doing it, and not trying to fight it. It is a warning system, not a punishment. Ban is punishment, for repeated, unacceptable behavior, when infractions simply do not give desired effect.