That is what I mean GF, it is ok to start up with Katz, to help you get your traffic, but ultimately, the sites that rely on Katz for more than a few years, will inevitably, go under.

When you say it is hard, yes that is true, but what is better than seeing that your site has got 1000 members, all on your own? I would much rather get a good member base, members who continue coming back, as opposed to a few thousand uniques a day, from people who won't come back.

Also, why not submit to the smaller DDLs instead? Everyone mentions how hard it is to get traffic in, why not do the smaller DDLs a favour as well? Help each other is what I say, and most sites that submit to Katz, don't give Katz anywhere near the traffic that Katz gives them, so how is that fair?

Sites who want to link back, just as a warrant of their appreciation to them, like WS usd to do, and Katz used to do to W-BB. I just think it is:

1) Unfair on Katz, due to the fact that they send out a LOT of traffic to these sites, but get hardly any from them in return.

2) Unfair on smaller DDL sites that are just starting, they want some traffic too.

3) Too easy for warez webmasters to submit their 40 links a day, and get a few thousand hits.