KWWH nor responsible for scammers?

[sniffdog]

A couple of threads about (potential) scammers are closed as the mods think that KWWH is not responsible.

As KWWH offers a marketplace where buyers and sellers meet, I beg to differ. It is like Ebay would not be responsible for its sellers and would not be required to ban / investigate its sellers.

A simple 'the deal was made outside KWWH' is IMHO not justified.

sniffdog Reviewed by sniffdog on 6th May 2010. KWWH nor responsible for scammers? A couple of threads about (potential) scammers are closed as the mods think that KWWH is not responsible. As KWWH offers a marketplace where buyers and sellers meet, I beg to differ. It is like Ebay would not be responsible for its sellers and would not be required to ban / investigate its sellers. A simple 'the deal was made outside KWWH' is IMHO not justified. Rating: 5

[CM]

If the deal was done on msn, why the hell would KWWH take responsibility for it? Also, if it was something that is not allowed to be sold on KWWH, then again, why the hell would KWWH take responsibility for it?

You can't start banning one member because of him scamming. KWWH has to played into it in a manner where the staff can be able to ban that member. The internet is not a whole when it comes to this sort of thing.

[DeLeTeD]

Your point about ebay is not 100% true. Say you meet someone on ebay and tell them hey whats your msn we can deal there faster. Then ebay would not care if that person scammed you.

If you want KWWH to help protect you from scammers, or actually ban them, make the deal through KWWH. If the item is against the rules to buy or sell then clearly something or someone might get scammed.

[Royal King]

If the deal was done on msn, why the hell would KWWH take responsibility for it? Also, if it was something that is not allowed to be sold on KWWH, then again, why the hell would KWWH take responsibility for it?

You can't start banning one member because of him scamming. KWWH has to played into it in a manner where the staff can be able to ban that member. The internet is not a whole when it comes to this sort of thing.

I agree.

[Whoo]

Copied straight from the marketplace rules:

Disclaimer:
KWWHunction is not liable or responsible for any transaction made. We are only providing means to enable webmasters and users to trade amongst themselves. If any problem occurs, please report them and we will do the best we can to rectify it, although we're limited with what we can do.

However, as you all know, we're bound to face a few scammers here and there. So use your web smart to figure out if this is a good trade or not.

EDIT: This basically means if the sale/trade/whatever has been done on KWWH and you got scammed, just send a PM to a staff member with enough proof so we can ban the scammer, no need to make a topic about it or w/e.

[Hyperz]

As KWWH offers a marketplace where buyers and sellers meet, I beg to differ.

But KWWH doesn't put a gun to your head and force you to buy or sell anything. I believe it's called "at your own risk". KWWH is a free "service". If it was paid you'd have a valid point, but it isn't.

[Smith]

Why won't Administrators install iTrader? That's how I sold and bought many things on DP, because I always check member's iTrader first and never got scammed. Only problem is that "reputation" system will be abused, and when it comes to that, ban or warning should do it.

And then, hopefully, members won't accuse KWWH or someone else for being scammed.

[Hyperz]

iTrader can be manipulated. It isn't water proof which is I believe the reason why there is no iTrader here.

[Royal King]

+1 Hyperz. You can be my friend and we both can send each other free iTraders or someone will make a new account and send iTraders to his old account

[Mr Happy]

iTrader is not trustworthy. Their have being several threads about it with people asking for it to be installed. These people who want it obviously don't know of it's flaws or how it can be manipulated. The staff as well as some experienced members do know and that's why it isn't introduced.

As far as scammers goes Hyperz is right. Other online sites charge you for selling or buying stuff such as ebay. They take a fee and that's why they can be held responsible. KWWH offers the service for free and therefore can't be held responsible.