can Email letters prove that I worked, was hired?

[Omaba]

Related to my thread "KeyCAPTCHA twiiter account - is it mine or of fake company?" question

I was hired by company (that has keycaptcha.com website) having only verbal contract (I asked to formalize it many times).
I was fired and now am denied that I worked for employer during half a year.

Employer later insisted that there was no company and I could not be hired.
Well, IMO, this does not change the issue much - then I was hired/employed by a person

Since IP-addresses of keycaptcha.com Email servers were blacklisted, I communciated with employer (and frequently with users) from my private GMail accounts

I have in my Gmail.com boxes copies of 900+ Email letters with employer discussing the daily work (and a few dozen thousund Emails with users of keycaptcha.com service) .
Can they be used as a proove of my employment?

I asked it in a few law forums - no answer.
When I ask lawyers in real (non-virtual) life, the conversation does not go much further answering and explaining what are public webmail Email (GMail) boxes, account, access, Twitter, Fmail, etc.

The question is:
can Email letters be a proof of having working relations with an employer?
and how?

I lived in a few countries, the core laws and lawyers are very similar everywhere.
So, I ask the question to the most broad English-speaking audience for advice.

Omaba Reviewed by Omaba on 14th Jun 2011. can Email letters prove that I worked, was hired? Related to my thread "KeyCAPTCHA twiiter account - is it mine or of fake company?" question I was hired by company (that has keycaptcha.com website) having only verbal contract (I asked to formalize it many times). I was fired and now am denied that I worked for employer during half a year. Employer later insisted that there was no company and I could not be hired. Well, IMO, this does not change the issue much - then I was hired/employed by a person Since IP-addresses of Rating: 5

[SuicidalMedia]

Do you know those guys from KeyCAPTCHA in real life?

[Omaba]

Do you know those guys from KeyCAPTCHA in real life?

Yes, I was working every working day in an office in business building during 4 months.
I even signed my name, time, signature, putting office alarm off and on at the entry log book of office building, i.e. I presented ID, wrote entry in entry log book and security guard of building took office alarm on or off.
Though, as I was told by police this does not prove that I worked (might be delivered post letters) or amount of agreed and received salary.

The received salary were bigger few times than police's salary...The problem is in amount, they told that they would not bother about smaller amount... say, 2 times smaller, though it did not me who ever pronounced any digits...

This (I was caught red-handed by police for extortion during receiving dismissal payment) was a big police operation on 4 cars with video- and audio-recording. All details are out of topic.
Though, police does not have any access to internet at all and later I spent a lot of time explaining what is (twitter and GMail) "accounts" (that I passed), what is browser, etc.

Also, police knew and had criminal legislature but not labor one.

I also worked from internal keycaptcha.com ticket system. It is when tickets are updated, a link to update on server sent by keycaptcha.com Email server
Thoush, this system frequently failed because keycaptcha.com servers were blacklisted (for example, by SpamHaus( or datacenters with servers were under DDO-attack. So, it was necessary to activate accounts interanlly and send Gmail letter telling that account was activated.

But last 2 months (overall 6) I was passed to work from home for 1/3 of salary and worked only from public and created by me GMail accounts.

So, when I was dismissed and told that I never officially worked, I replied reciprocally then all accounts are "officially" my private property

Well the e-mails can prove something, but they could still deny anything.

You didn't sign any contract obviously.

Do you have any invoices, how were you being paid etc?

Were you paying tax on the income?

Many things can be misinterpreted on the internet.

No, the salary was delivered by an errand boy and was given hand-to-hand without signing anything or leaving any traces.

That's the whole problem.
Nothing is traceable (biz/financial transactions, who rented office, computers, servers, etc.) or, at least police is not interested to trace it (I'm afraid of keycaptcha.com insiders there) or have any qualification for this, they hoped for easy case and my fast confession - the company happened to be fake and in February-March, 2010, changed the name and country (it was Russia-based Joint Stock ITNP and now it is US-based Mersane).

Well, 12 days passed, the criminal case/investigation is not officially opened/initiated yet.
BTW, should I be informed about it? I'm waiting (and even wanting) for any continuation...
I was waiting for this to request the inquiries about accusing complainant (the company, relations, persons, etc.)

I would not have started working there, had I known that the company is a fake.
This is the common (though illegal) practice here that the contract is not formalized until passing probation period.

EDIT: I have no clue what you wrote, your english is very bad...over and out...

This is not only English, I am afraid I would have written or told it bad in my native language too b/c it is all mentally disturbing and confusing when I start to think about it.

I'd like to thank everybody. It is not interesting even to me less to others. It is forced interest from my side.

I'd like to correct any phrases. Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks again to all

Update:
BTW, I cannot understand why the office, in downtown (center of Novosibirsk) was rented at all.
All "colleagues" (including me) lived very far from it and spend 3-4 hours per every day for commuting

All clients/users are in the internet
This question haunts me. Though, there are many things I do not understand in this biz

[SJshah]

The emails can prove that you were employed by them provided you are able to prove that it was you answering the emails. Have you got any other evidence to support your claim? Such as any emails with your employer, or any written communication with your employer.

Also, what about any payments made to you from your employer? I'm guessing they must have paid you for working for them on a monthly basis or something, if you were employed by them for half a year.

[cvrle77]

EDIT: I have no clue what you wrote, your english is very bad...over and out...

[Long]

Well the e-mails can prove something, but they could still deny anything.

You didn't sign any contract obviously.

Do you have any invoices, how were you being paid etc?

Were you paying tax on the income?

Many things can be misinterpreted on the internet.

[nichole]

What is it your trying to accomplish, Did you not get paid for your work or something? If so how long did you work for and not get paid, Did you ever get paid, Did you agree on hourly, project, Do you have any prices in the emails?

Yes the emails will be considered proof in just about any court, but unless you discussed a hourly or job rate, you might be screwed.

If you worked for the company for 3 months, and didn't get paid yet, That's kinda your fault, and you could possibly get something, I doubt it, If you never got paid, or worked a long time and got paid once or twice, You can forget it, If you worked there got paid for a few weeks or months then all of a sudden didn't and you got proof you did the work, or worked, or email records on projects you did, and he agreed you did, or he stating anything related like "Thanks for working last night, or week" Them things will really help you out, If it's not a decent amount of money, It's not really worth trying to push too hard as it will cost more then you will get in return from it.

[Omaba]

I worked for a company during 5 months.

The company was registered abroad as off-shore 2 months before my dismissal
The penultimate month salary was 35% from agreed/isial one. The last month reduced salary I refused to receive.

And the main problem is not payment.
I was caught by police red-handed immediately upon receiving my salary+dismissal money with pre-registered numbers of banknotes. The company charges me with extortion of this money from a physical person since the company even did not exist while I was working for it (it was first registered 2 months before my dismissal).

Now, it probably registered now but in US while it operates and I worked for it in Russia

Now I cannot work since I am under criminal investigation which is not moving anywhere and the company is distributing slanders in internet about me

[nba517]

my opinion is email can prove nothing

[Omaba]

Yes, this is correct. Got known about it after posting this question here.

The practice is that the proves should be witnessed or video- or audio-documented, furnished according certain rules and procedures.
Even more, police have cars, cameras, micros for doing all this + , people for being present )or create provocations to do what is accepted by court as proves) and signing their papers but they do not have access to internet and anyway it is useless from the legal practice of proving anything.